Who would win a war between NATO vs Russia and China?

北约和中俄开战的话，谁会赢？

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Brooklyn Hazel

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If NATO went to war with Russia and China, who would win and why?

NATO. Simple.

如果北约和中俄开战的话，谁会赢？为什么？

北约，显而易见。

The North Atlantic Treaty Organization is the most powerful alliance on Earth. Combined, it has the most powerful Armed Forces on Earth.

Russia & China would be fucking with not only the Americans, but the British, French, Poles, Germans, Italians, Dutch, Etcetera. I'll admit, the Russians & Chinese have both impressive militaries, such as not only their personnel in numbers, but Russian Air Defense & Chinese Discipline. The Russian T-14 Armata & Chinese Type-99 are great MBT's, but, it isn't enough.

北大西洋公约组织是地球上最强大的联盟，拥有地球上最强大的武装力量。

俄罗斯和中国不仅要对付美国，还要对付英国人、法国人、波兰人、德国人、意大利人、荷兰人等等。我承认，俄罗斯和中国的军队实力都挺强，不仅兵力多，俄罗斯的防空和中国的纪律都无人能出其左。俄罗斯的T-14“阿玛塔”和中国的99式都是很棒的主战坦克，但还是不够。

The United States Armed Forces dedicate over $700-Billion towards Defense Spending. Hell, the United States Army has the budget of the entire Chinese Military. This will be combined with the forces of all of NATO, which will set in stone that Russia & China really are fucked.

Combined, NATO will gain total and complete Naval & Air Superiority, in which they will field over 25 Aircraft Carriers, 100 Guided Missile Destroyers, 40 Cruisers, Etcetera. It's also true that NATO will have over 16,000 Aircraft, with the F-35, F-22, F-15, Eurofighter Typhoon, F/18 Super Hornet, F-16, Etcetera.

美国军队在国防开支上投入了7000多亿美元。美国陆军的预算就等同于整个中国军方的预算。再加上北约的所有兵力，俄罗斯和中国真的没戏。

盟国联合起来，北约就能获得全面完全的海空优势，他们将派出超过25艘航空母舰，100艘导弹驱逐舰，40艘巡洋舰等。北约还拥有超过16000架飞机，包括F-35、F-22、F-15、欧洲台风战斗机、F/18超级大黄蜂、F-16等等。

The United States of America possess over not only 345 Fifth Generation Fighters, but with NATO there will be over 355. Russia & China only possess around 20–30. Now! Let's get into the fun stuff.

The M1A2 Abrams SEPv3, Challenger II, Leopard II, Leclerc, Anti-Tank Strykers, Patriot & Avenger Missiles, Javelins, Stingers, Apache, Viper, Eurocopter Tigers and MLRS's would be tearing Russian & Chinese Aircraft and Armor to shit.

The Chinese PLA Spec Ops & Russian Spetsnaz would be getting hammered by the British SAS, French GIGN, American Delta Force, Navy SEALs, MARSOC, Night Stalkers, Rangers & Green Berets.

美国拥有超过345架第五代战斗机，加上北约将超过355架。俄罗斯和中国只有大约20-30架。现在！我们来聊点有意思的。

M1A2艾布拉姆斯SEPv3，挑战者II，豹II，勒克莱尔，反坦克突击队员，爱国者和复仇者导弹，标枪，毒刺，阿帕奇，毒蛇，欧洲虎式直升机和多管火箭足以把俄罗斯和中国的飞机和装甲撕成碎片。

中国人民解放军特种部队和俄罗斯特种部队将遭到英国特种部队、法国特种部队、美国三角洲特种部队、海豹突击队、海军特种部队、夜行者、游骑兵和美国陆军特种部队的重击。

Now, European Nations are much smaller and less advanced than the United States.

They have to train long and hard to make sure that their troops are combat ready to face any threats to their continent, specifically because they're smaller. Yeah, sure, they depend a lot on the United States, but it's not like they're weak for doing that.

现在，欧洲国家比美国小得多，也不如美国先进。

他们必须进行长时间的艰苦训练，才能确保他们的部队能够面对来自他们大陆的任何威胁。是的，当然，他们在很大程度上依赖美国，但这并不意味着他们实力弱。

Russia, China…

You better start saving up for the day you have to rebuild your countries after fucking with NATO.

俄罗斯、中国…

你们最好开始攒钱吧，跟北约一战之后才好重建你们的国家。

Joel Forbes

I see a lot of Americans here with an idea that such a war between NATO and Russia and China would be an easy win. Well my friend is actually in the army an officer. They do simulations or war plans. Their predictions are that NATO would win but with devastating losses. Make no mistake here Russia and China are super powers in their own right. Also I noticed someone said Russia has no navy. That is a complete mistake. Russia has a very strong navy. With frigates, Corvettes, an aircraft carrier and of course subs to mention a few. In all they have over 350 ships. That's quite a strong navy if you ask me. We would win based on technologies, experience, equipment etc but make no mistake this would be a hard won war.

我发现很多美国人都认为，北约如果跟俄罗斯和中国开战会轻松取胜。我有一位朋友是军官。他们进行过实战演戏或作战计划。他们预测北约能取胜，但免不了遭受毁灭性的损失。毫无疑问，俄罗斯和中国也都是超级大国。还有人说俄罗斯没有海军。这可就错得离谱了。俄罗斯拥有强大的海军，有护卫舰，轻型护卫舰，航空母舰，当然还有潜艇。他们总共有350多艘军舰。要我说，那绝对算是相当强大的海军了。我们可以在技术、经验、装备等方面取得胜利，但毫无疑问，这个胜利会来得很艰难。

Erik Brack

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If there was a war against NATO vs. Russia and China, who would win?

No one. Wars aren’t games. A battle between nuclear armed powers would be devastating for civilization. Millions, perhaps billions would be killed.

如果北约与俄罗斯和中国开战，谁会赢?

两败俱伤。战争不是游戏。核大国之间的战争对人类文明将是毁灭性的。数百万人，甚至数十亿人都会因此丧命。

Sylvain Saurel

NATO.

北约。

I'm not saying it would be quick and easy, but in the end, NATO would win such a war.

However, the big question is who would be the real loser of this war?

Not just Russia and China, but all of humanity. Such a war would probably require the use of nuclear bombs. That would be disastrous for everyone.

So I don't see such a war happening. No one has an interest in destroying all of humanity. Countries want to have dominant positions and influence over others, but by destroying the Earth, they will have nothing.

It would make no sense to go in that direction. Even a dr as crazy as Putin is aware of this reality. Nuclear weapons are above all a deterrent. It is what allows Putin to continue to maintain himself in the Kremlin at all costs.

我不认为北约能快速轻松取胜，但最终赢家会是北约。

不过最大的问题是，谁会是这场战争的真正输家？

恐怕不只是俄罗斯和中国，而是全人类。这样一场战争很可能会动用核弹。这对所有人来说都将是灾难性的局面。

所以我不认为这样的战争能真的爆发。毕竟没有人愿意毁灭全人类。有些国家想要称霸地球、发号施令，但如果代价是摧毁地球，他们也将一无所有。

这么做毫无意义。就连普京这样疯狂的人也明白这一点。核武器首先是一种威慑。正是这一点让普京不惜一切代价继续留在克里姆林宫。

Ashton Peterson

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Who would win in a war between NATO and Russia-China?

“NATO” would win, and it would be long and bloody. If it gets too bad, maybe Russia goes Nuclear, and the whole world becomes a slag-filled crater. Except Antarctica. No one would want to harm the penguins.

哪方能在北约和俄中之间的战争中获胜？

“北约”会赢，过程会很漫长而血腥。如果战况胶着，也许俄罗斯会动用核武器，那么整个世界就会一片荒芜。除了南极洲。毕竟没有人会想要伤害企鹅。

David Moore

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Who is stronger and better, NATO or Russia?

When one considers the facts here, one realises why Putin is so quick to threaten the whole European continent with Mutually Assured Destruction via nuclear armageddon.

The reason is simple: Russia is much, much weaker than NATO. There is no way that Putin could possibly resist an actual NATO offensive. One cannot argue with numbers. Putin’s only way to avoid abject defeat would be to try and topple the chessboard in a suicidal tantrum.

北约和俄罗斯，谁更强？

如果你分析一下，就能明白为什么普京这么快通过核末日来威胁整个欧洲大陆，“相互毁灭”。

原因很简单：俄罗斯比北约弱得多。普京不可能抵抗得住北约的进攻。普京想要避免惨败的唯一办法，就是两败俱伤的自杀行为。

Sara Gradenko

The US has the world’s largest navy, combined with NATO, they would achieve naval superiority. Russia’s navy is smaller than the United States and divided between her various ports. China is trying to buy old aircraft carriers from Russia and refitting them as helicopter carriers. The US and NATO have large, modern air forces which would outclass Russia and China. It is important to note that while China has a major domestic industry that could be mobilized in times of war, it is smaller than the United States and advanced aircraft require more than just basic manufacturing. With naval and air superiority, Russia and China have no chance of attacking mainland US and China will take some time to transfer troops to the Russian front. NATO has a long eastern border with Russia. Many Eastern European countries, such as Estonia or Poland, are fearful of a Russian invasion. To this end, NATO stages regular drills in Eastern Europe in case of Russian invasion, including air drills. If Russia invaded, NATO is more than prepared to tear apart the first wave. Unfortunately, much of Europe relies on Russian petroleum, but this is being replaced by alternative energy and American exports. NATO tanks would drive into Moscow and Saint Petersburg, effectively scattering Russian troops.

美国拥有全世界规模最大的海军，再加上北约，他们就能占据海上的绝对优势。

俄罗斯海军规模比美国小，分布在不同的港口。

中国想从俄罗斯购买旧航母并改装为直升机航母。美国和北约拥有规模庞大的现代化空军，实力超过俄罗斯和中国。

值得注意的是，虽然中国拥有战争时期可以征用的工业体系，但规模不如美国，先进的飞机需要的不仅仅是基础制造。

凭借海军和空军优势，俄罗斯和中国没有机会进攻美国本土，中国将军队转移到俄罗斯前线也需要一段时间。

北约与俄罗斯有很长的东部边境线。许多东欧国家，如爱沙尼亚或波兰，都担心俄罗斯的入侵。

为此，北约为了应对俄罗斯的入侵，会定期在东欧进行空中演习等。

如果俄罗斯入侵，北约已经做好了充分的准备，击破第一波进攻。

不幸的是，欧洲大部分地区都依赖于俄罗斯的石油，但这逐渐被替代能源和美国的出口石油所取代。

北约坦克将开进莫斯科和圣彼得堡，有效地拆散俄罗斯军队。

However, China’s sheer population and manufacturing render it difficult to invade. Much of China is urban, which allows NATO troops an advantage. In a recent ACT report, NATO stressed the need for urban warfare training. However, the majority of Russia and China would be impossible to occupy. Ultimate victory would depend on NATO occupation policy. Considering how they still have problems in Afghanistan fifteen years later, NATO doesn’t seem competent to handle either the vast expanse of Russia nor the immense population of China.

NATO would win the war, but not be able to hold onto their conquests.

不过中国庞大的人口和制造业使入侵变得艰难。中国大部分地区都是城市，这给北约部队带来了优势。在最近的一份行动报告中，北约强调了城市作战训练的必要性。然而，俄罗斯和中国的大多数地区都是不可能占领的。最终的胜利将取决于北约的占领政策。考虑到他们用了15年时间都无法彻底摆平阿富汗，北约似乎既没有能力对付广袤的俄罗斯，也没有能力应对庞大的中国人口。

北约能打赢战争，但守不住战果。

Ernest Sarfo

I don't think there will be any winners eventually. Russia has modernised their systems although Nato is not short sighted. It will rather be a long protracted war and China will definitely join Russia militarily.

In this scenario you are talking about the end of the world because Nuclear Weapons will then have to step in and China will be a great asset for Russia. It will be catastrophic and Russia will fire Nuclear Weapons on American States as well as targeting The White House, The Capital Hill and the Pentagon, in which you can't count people who will be burnt dead.

我认为这场战争不会有赢家。俄罗斯已经实现了系统现代化，尽管北约也并非短视之辈。这会是一场旷日持久的战争，中国肯定会在军事行动上加入俄罗斯。

在这种情况下，鉴于必须动用核武器，恐怕我们面临的是世界末日，中国将是俄罗斯的一大助力。俄罗斯将向美国各州发射核武器，同时瞄准白宫、国会山和五角大楼，这些地方将生灵涂炭、死伤无数。

Patrick Harris

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Who would win, NATO or a Russia-China alliance?

Gotta be short on this cuz I'm time-deprived right now:

What you’re really asking is who would win WWIII, NATO and the coalition supporting the alliance, or the Chinese & Russians with their Coalition of the Threatened.

I'm assuming no nukes, cuz no one wins in that scenario.

谁会是赢家，北约还是俄中联盟？

我就简单说两句吧：

其实你真正想知道的是谁会赢得第三次世界大战的胜利，是北约和它的盟国，还是中国、俄罗斯和受胁迫的盟国。

我认为不会动用核武器，因为在那种情况下是没有赢家的。

China has millions of men they could deploy, but that's about it. They have an inferior Navy and Air Force, so no way to project power.

Russia is under-populated, no navy threat, but has a pretty good Air Force.

The U.S., by far, has military superiority that can be projected over the planet. The combined non-U.S. NATO forces have powerful high tech ground, sea, and air forces as well, which may also be projected.

European NATO forces and allies would dispose of Russia, and the U.S. and Pac Rim allies would handle China.

中国可以部署的兵力有数百万之多，但也仅此而已。他们的海军和空军实力较弱，所以没有办法部署军事力量。

俄罗斯人口稀少，没有海军威胁，但拥有一支相当不错的空军。

到目前为止，美国拥有可以部署到全球各地的军事优势。北约部队还拥有强大的高科技陆海空部队，都可以进行部署。

欧洲的北约部队和盟友将对付俄罗斯，美国和太平洋沿岸盟友将对付中国。

Where the war is fought is of consequence. Remember the mam: “Never fight a land war in Asia.” (A lesson the U.S. has apparently not sufficiently learned.)

My strategy would be to contain and embargo them to their knees.

战争在哪里爆发很重要。记住这句格言：“绝对不要在亚洲进行陆战。(美国显然还没有充分吸取这一教训。)

我的策略是牵制和封锁他们，迫使他们屈服。